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Ownager · Sep 20, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15

i dont get it all i see is stances and str items what heppent what makes str attribute so good over tactics?couse if you ask me tactics have all the good skills like watch yours self healing sig shieald stance so please tell me why str so good am i mission something?>

Hand of Ruin · Sep 20, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

I think you "missioned" a few years of english...

frickett · Sep 20, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Strength has an inherant armor penetration tied to it as well. That can be important when you are trying to spike or pressure, Having said that, My sword warrior uses tactics as his secondary for auspicious parry, and reposts.

SparhawkJC · Sep 20, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

It's really personal preference. Since many warriors are W/Mo and go Healing over Tactics for their healing, they're left with only Strength to match the requirement of their shield. Neither is better than the other. I use Tactics myself since I like to have a Healing Signet that heals over 100 health and don't use many Strength skills.

Pick Me · Sep 20, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

As stated before, its a personal preference.

Advantages to Strength:
Can use shields that require strength attribute
Armor penetration
IWAY
I Will Survive
Doylak Signet
Endure Pain
Flourish
Griffon's Sweap
Power Attack
Sprint

Advantages of Tactics:
Easier to find shields that require tactics attribute
Charge
To The Limit
Watch Yourself
Balanced Stance
Bonetti's Defense
Deadly Riposte
Riposte
Gladiator's Defense
Healing Signet
Wary Stance

As you can see, there are many advantages for both, so it comes down to what skills do you want, and what benefits do you desire.

Kern Wolf · Sep 20, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

I think you "missioned" a few years of english...

LOL...QFT

Thom Bangalter · Sep 20, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Ownager

i dont get it all i see is stances and str items what heppent what makes str attribute so good over tactics?couse if you ask me tactics have all the good skills like watch yours self healing sig shieald stance so please tell me why str so good am i mission something?>

because a lot of people's grasp on playing warrior is as bad as your grasp on the English language.

ZING!

Bruce Brutal · Sep 20, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

dont bother about his english, bother about his question

Thom Bangalter · Sep 20, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

I did both. People don't know how to play warrior, so they run 15 strength, and this guy doesn't know how to spell. See? It's like a parable or something.

ubermancer · Sep 20, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

I think you "missioned" a few years of english...

Im sorry, but I cant follow that act.

Well played, Hand.

mercenary71 · Sep 20, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

I did both. People don't know how to play warrior, so they run 15 strength, and this guy doesn't know how to spell. See? It's like a parable or something.

I'm glad we have you here to keep us all straight... Not sure why people think it's cool to rip on people who don't have a strong command of a second language when most of them only speak one language themselves???

To answer the original question I'm thinking if you don't die, don't kill your party from over-agro, don't cause monks undue stress healing you, and put lots of enemies in body bags you are probably doing your job. You can find a build that fits those criteria above with either tactics or strength. In general with strength you do a little more damage and with tactics you have more defense. There are missions/quests when strength builds work best and others where tactics are best and some where you need a combination of both and the key is finding out when to switch. There is no perfect build that will work for all situations so you need to know how to create/use multiple builds to have the most success.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 20, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

really lots of ppl use strength because it has offensive power...tactics is mainly defense power. You can't only have defense, but many people like to go over offensive, using both strength and their weapon attribute. They are pretty balanced and both are good attributes (regardless of ppl who flame strength as "the worst primary") Many people also use strength instead of tactics because they are W/Mo. Monk healing devices are far more powerful then regular warrior healings.

ubermancer · Sep 20, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by mercenary71

I'm glad we have you here to keep us all straight... Not sure why people think it's cool to rip on people who don't have a strong command of a second language when most of them only speak one language themselves???

Because this is an English board, duh.

I dont go to the French website and try and force them to understand me. (though thatd be funny, to post broken builds which they cant understand)

Rera · Sep 21, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I use str because it gives my attack skills a bit of extra damage (those of you who cried up and down about the Eviscerate nerf, here's a good way to recover some damage), and because I don't use tactics skills most of the time. Strength is the only attribute line that has a passive benefit, so if you have nothing else to pump, pump str.

Incidentally, most warriors don't actually need to sacrifice str or tac, because they tend to only use three attributes. Secondary profession skills are usually unlinked (Plague Touch) or used for a purpose that's unlinked (Shock). As such, you can usually go 16/10/10 without issue.

October Jade · Sep 21, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Semi-related question:

The ingame description of Strength states that attack skills receive the penetration bonus but says nothing of regular attacks. Has it always functioned this way? I could swear it used to apply to everything.

sgtclarity · Sep 21, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Strength has always and sadly will probably only apply to attack skills.

LightningHell · Sep 21, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by mercenary71

I'm glad we have you here to keep us all straight... Not sure why people think it's cool to rip on people who don't have a strong command of a second language when most of them only speak one language themselves???

English being a secondary language is no excuse for spelling incorrectly. English is MY second language, damnit.

As for the question...some people use Strength because they don't have Healing Signet, use Dolyak Signet instead of defensive stances, have nothing else to spend att points in, or are idiots. I'd personally opt for that last answer.

sgtclarity · Sep 21, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

English being a secondary language is no excuse for spelling incorrectly. English is MY second language, damnit.

As for the question...some people use Strength because they don't have Healing Signet, use Dolyak Signet instead of defensive stances, have nothing else to spend att points in, or are idiots. I'd personally opt for that last answer.

Ahem...
Rush, Protector's Strike, Bull's Strike, Bull's Charge

LightningHell · Sep 21, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Then I'd personally opt for 16/11/9 or 16/10/10, not 16/13.

I included Prot/Bull Strike at first, then decided on that you'd not need to drop Tactics fully for them.

ogami_ito · Sep 21, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

STR:
Protectors Strike = big damage against moving opponents in PvP. And extra attack = more adren
Bulls strike = easy knock down against moving opponents in PvP
Dolyks = good for tanking

Tactics
Deadly ripost = great anti-melee...if sword warrior
Ripost = great anti-melee...if sword warrior
Bonnetti's Def = great for farming, great for PvE
Healing Sig = IMHO the best non-monk heal in the game
"Watch Yourself!" = great team buff.

In general, STR is better for Pvp imho, while tactics is more balanced.